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	<title>Comments on: Medicine in Wikipedia and Citizendum</title>
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		<title>By: jose lister</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-82873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jose lister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give Citizendium some time. The project barely started.

We’ll see in a year or two if it takes up or not.

This is what Wikipedia looked like after a year. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Citizendium some time. The project barely started.</p>
<p>We’ll see in a year or two if it takes up or not.</p>
<p>This is what Wikipedia looked like after a year. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jose lister</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-82872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jose lister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To whoever wrote this poem:

You are a genius! Thank you for writing it and thank you for sharing it. Your poem not only is brilliantly humorous but deeply insightful.

Now the question is: who’s next?

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whoever wrote this poem:</p>
<p>You are a genius! Thank you for writing it and thank you for sharing it. Your poem not only is brilliantly humorous but deeply insightful.</p>
<p>Now the question is: who’s next?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Seeking health information online: does Wikipedia matter? &#171; ScienceRoll</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-43159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seeking health information online: does Wikipedia matter? &#171; ScienceRoll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Medicine in Wikipedia and Citizendum [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Medicine in Wikipedia and Citizendum [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bertalan Meskó</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-20176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bertalan Meskó]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mikael, I&#039;ll be the happiest person and I&#039;ll struggle to help CZ if you&#039;re right. Our goals are the same!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael, I&#8217;ll be the happiest person and I&#8217;ll struggle to help CZ if you&#8217;re right. Our goals are the same!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Häggström</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-20156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikael Häggström]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m also a Wikipedian who has started as a medicine author in Citizendium. I agree that CZ is far from perfect, but the best thing is, it&#039;s only getting better and better all the time. Wikipedia is like an entrance - everybody go there now because there are articles covering everything there. However, sooner or later people, readers as well as editors, want reliability as well, so they&#039;ll sooner or later follow the external links right into Citizendium.

In short, Citizendium isn&#039;t THE place to seek for information today, but it very probably will be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a Wikipedian who has started as a medicine author in Citizendium. I agree that CZ is far from perfect, but the best thing is, it&#8217;s only getting better and better all the time. Wikipedia is like an entrance &#8211; everybody go there now because there are articles covering everything there. However, sooner or later people, readers as well as editors, want reliability as well, so they&#8217;ll sooner or later follow the external links right into Citizendium.</p>
<p>In short, Citizendium isn&#8217;t THE place to seek for information today, but it very probably will be.</p>
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		<title>By: ncurse</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-3831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ncurse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mike, 

Thank you for your comment. 

I did mention the approving system and I&#039;ve also read those pages. Look, I&#039;m a real fan of Citizendum as I also need a universal medical database which is reliable. I joined your community to find ways how to help your work. 

But you have a great advantage, you&#039;re able to see how many mistakes Wikipedia has done so far and you can learn from those. So if we, users, can expect anything from Citizendum is that to have a perfect start with clear guidelines and manuals for every workgroups.

Mike, keep up this great job and I&#039;ll try to lend a hand where needed. Thanks for dropping by, 

Bertalan Meskó]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike, </p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. </p>
<p>I did mention the approving system and I&#8217;ve also read those pages. Look, I&#8217;m a real fan of Citizendum as I also need a universal medical database which is reliable. I joined your community to find ways how to help your work. </p>
<p>But you have a great advantage, you&#8217;re able to see how many mistakes Wikipedia has done so far and you can learn from those. So if we, users, can expect anything from Citizendum is that to have a perfect start with clear guidelines and manuals for every workgroups.</p>
<p>Mike, keep up this great job and I&#8217;ll try to lend a hand where needed. Thanks for dropping by, </p>
<p>Bertalan Meskó</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Johnson</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-3798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi ncurses,

I&#039;m a member of the Citizendium Executive Committee. Thanks for the coverage. However, I do take issue with some of your points.

First, I&#039;d like to clarify that editors need not approve your contributions for readers to see them. If an author edits a standard article, people will see that change instantly with no expert approval needed. One does need expert editors involved in the formal approval of an article, a difference from Wikipedia.

Also, we do have a general manual of style but we do not yet have a specialized manual of style for medical articles. That&#039;ll likely come from the relevant workgroup, which is in the process of being organized.

In general, I think it&#039;s worthwhile to step back and consider fair comparisons: we just entered &#039;public beta&#039; a few weeks ago, whereas Wikipedia has a five-and-a-half year head start. Very few of our processes are in their final form. That said, we&#039;ve made tremendous progress- much /more/ than Wikipedia had at the same point (bless their hearts)- and every single day we make more progress on many fronts.

You might get something out of perusing our introduction to Citizendium for Wikipedians:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Introduction_to_CZ_for_Wikipedians

As well as our guide on how to get started as an author on Citizendium:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:How_to_get_started_as_an_author

They will likely answer a number of your questions and concerns.

Best wishes,
Mike Johnson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ncurses,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a member of the Citizendium Executive Committee. Thanks for the coverage. However, I do take issue with some of your points.</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;d like to clarify that editors need not approve your contributions for readers to see them. If an author edits a standard article, people will see that change instantly with no expert approval needed. One does need expert editors involved in the formal approval of an article, a difference from Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Also, we do have a general manual of style but we do not yet have a specialized manual of style for medical articles. That&#8217;ll likely come from the relevant workgroup, which is in the process of being organized.</p>
<p>In general, I think it&#8217;s worthwhile to step back and consider fair comparisons: we just entered &#8216;public beta&#8217; a few weeks ago, whereas Wikipedia has a five-and-a-half year head start. Very few of our processes are in their final form. That said, we&#8217;ve made tremendous progress- much /more/ than Wikipedia had at the same point (bless their hearts)- and every single day we make more progress on many fronts.</p>
<p>You might get something out of perusing our introduction to Citizendium for Wikipedians:<br />
<a href="http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Introduction_to_CZ_for_Wikipedians" rel="nofollow">http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Introduction_to_CZ_for_Wikipedians</a></p>
<p>As well as our guide on how to get started as an author on Citizendium:<br />
<a href="http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:How_to_get_started_as_an_author" rel="nofollow">http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:How_to_get_started_as_an_author</a></p>
<p>They will likely answer a number of your questions and concerns.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Mike Johnson</p>
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		<title>By: nyenyec</title>
		<link>http://scienceroll.com/2007/04/06/medicine-in-wikipedia-and-citizendum/#comment-3791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyenyec]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give Citizendium some time. The project barely started.

We&#039;ll see in a year or two if it takes up or not.

This is what Wikipedia looked like after a year. :)
http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Citizendium some time. The project barely started.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see in a year or two if it takes up or not.</p>
<p>This is what Wikipedia looked like after a year. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org</a></p>
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